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Does The United Kingdom Need a Written Constitution & Bill of Rights
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Bruce



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 9:27 am    Post subject:
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oes the UK have a constitution - no it has a number of parliamentary acts and quite a bit of custom and practice. When a new bill comes out it states clearly with all the "her gracious majesty" stuff that it supercedes prevoius legislation. Now where something is decided by parliament it is the British Law. Even when they nod through EU legislation it still technically goes through parliament. Just because the Queen does not return or refuse bills it does not mean that her assent is worthless. The last stage is her assent and now is nearly always given. she tends to make her disaproval known while the bill is in progress but being a democratic monarch accepts the judgment of the ministers since they are the elected by the people (that doesn't mean she thinks any more highly of them than us she is more tactful)

As far as Magna Carta etc. The English royal line ceased in 1603. The British royal line ceased with Culloden in 1745 in that the last direct claimant withdrew his claim. It actually ceased in 1714. The present royal line is directly descended from the house of Hanover whose only link was a matriach from the Stuarts. The Stuart line was only linked to the Tudors by a matriach. In each case the male dominant line was from outside. Technically Britain has been ruled by the Germans since the 1700s George I was crowned in 1714 and was the great grandson of James VI and I through the maternal line.
As an aside the Royal Bank of Scotland was created in 1727 to be Protestant and Hanoverian to counter the Bank of Scotland which was Jacobite and Roman Catholic. As with most things in these days it was religon behind it.

The Stuarts took over the throne of England in 1603 because James VI of Scotland because his great grandmother Margaret Tudor daughter of HenryVII married James IV in 1503. Again the maternal line.

So before we have all this about treason etc take in two points, firstly the monarchy in Britain has been a disjointed progression including a period as a republic and secondly at various times the monarch has agreed to hand over powers to parliament, the most recent being the decision for the monarch to pay income tax.

right now can someone convince me there is an official constitution.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 10:53 am    Post subject:
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s the monarch now pays income tax is she entitled to a State Pension? Laughing

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Bruce



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 11:11 am    Post subject:
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ood point but no because your pension rights are assigned from your National Insurance. A woman needs 39 years at the moment soon to drop. of course a woman of that age often paid the married woman's stamp and depended on their husband's contributions. Now apart from a few years in the Navy don't know if he has been employed so won't have the 44 years required.
Also before you ask since she has more than 16,000 in savings there is no ct benefit.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 12:04 pm    Post subject:
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Also before you ask since she has more than 16,000 in savings there is no ct benefit.

So does she pay Council Tax? And what about her second, third, fourth etc homes? Are they all rated Band H? Has she ever appealed against a Council Tax Banding?

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 12:09 pm    Post subject:
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h Archie, her homes are not all hers, she is a tenant. I think Sandringham belows to family, they own Balmoral. Now that is interestig because we should be able to see what band it is in. The answer is probably it does pay unless there is some obscure law.

Buck House is owned by the nation and I am not sure about Windsor. The Saxe-coburg-gothas changed their name to it, they should have called themselves the Balmorals.

Since technically Gordon is the factor for the rented property there should be something in the govt accounts.

As regards an appeal against band H oh ye so you have 120 rooms and you think you should be band F, not a chance.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 12:29 pm    Post subject:
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he whole quesion of properties and the crown is interesting, there is a bunch called the crown estate commissioners who adminster crown owned property on behalf of the sovereign. They are hated by the marine fraternity because they "own" the sea bed and charge for moorings. itwas when one of the past monarchs was in a spot of financial difficulty that he handed over these rights to parliament. when you examine the whole complicated affair it would be easier to be a republic.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 12:39 pm    Post subject:
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Bruce wrote:
Ah Archie, her homes are not all hers, she is a tenant. I think Sandringham belows to family, they own Balmoral. Now that is interestig because we should be able to see what band it is in. The answer is probably it does pay unless there is some obscure law.

But tenants pay Council Tax as well as home owners.

And yes - Balmoral Castle is listed as a Band H property on the Scottish Assessors' Association website.

But the question of who pays is largely academic. What percentage of the Queen's income could reasonably be said to be earned by the sweat of her brow?

I wonder if you are allowed access to a computer in the Tower?

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 12:40 pm    Post subject:
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he VOA lists THE ROYAL RESIDENCE, BUCKINGHAM PALACE, LONDON, SW1A 1AA as Band H in the Westminster City CT area.

CT payable for 2007/8 (by the tenants) is 1,363.36
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 11:32 pm    Post subject:
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h, yes, Britain does have a constitution, it an unwritten one ... made up by vested / political interests as they go along. This has been the situation for Yonks !! (translation - ages and ages).

Perhaps the EU is right (but slightly misguided on some things) we should have a written constitution along with a bill of rights. I do believe our David Cameron has floated / advocated this route in some of his mutterings...

The Americans have a constitution and bill of rights so why shouldn't we ?

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 12:08 am    Post subject:
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constituution The system of fundamental laws and principles that prescribes the nature, functions, and limits of a government or another institution.
The document in which such a system is recorded.
Constitution The fundamental law of the United States, framed in 1787, ratified in 1789, and variously amended since then.

It is better if it is a written document. Note the US constitution has been amended many times. This means that any use of the British constitution has to take into account recent legislation superceding earlier legislation. where a recent piece of parliamentary supercedes something in the Magna Carta then it takes precedence.

A written constitution continuously updated would be a good idea.
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